[topicmapmail] Data Model question : UML representation of T
opicMap
HERBUEL Alain (DSIT-EX)
alain.herbuel@sncf.fr
Mon, 3 Nov 2003 09:15:45 +0100
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Have you fixed the same problem for the rest of the document, because =
there
are many other situations like this one? Now, I understand why I didn't
understand some figures! ;o)
Regards, Alain.
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Objet : RE: [topicmapmail] Data Model question : UML representation of
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Hi Alain,=20
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Yep we know about the diamonds being the round the wrong way. We have =
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it but not published the updated document.=20
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thank you for your comments and questions.
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Graham
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Lars Marius Garshol will say : "the text is important, not the UML =
diagram".
;o)=20
But, for me, diagrams are so important : they allow me to understand =
some
time a text which is to complex without such a diagram. Sometimes, they
provide information that is not in the text.
Let's take the TopicMap overview diagram (3.3 The topic map item). It =
shows
a relation between Association and TopicMap, with a black diamond on
Association's side. In UML, for me, that says if I suppress all the
instances of the class Association, I suppress automatically the object
witch is an instance of the class TopicMap. In this way, it doesn't =
make
sense for me.
The black diamond should be on the other side!=20
Does it make sense? Same remark with other objects on the same diagram. =
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size=3D2>-----Message d'origine-----<BR><B>De :</B> Graham Moore =
[mailto:moore@ontopia.net] <BR><B>Envoy=E9 :</B> vendredi 31 =
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15:14<BR><B>=C0 :</B> 'HERBUEL Alain (DSIT-EX)';=20
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question : UML representation of TopicMap<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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Alain, </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Yep=20
we know about the diamonds being the round the wrong way. We =
have fixed=20
it but not published the updated document. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=3D#0000ff=20
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size=3D2>thank you for your comments and =
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<P dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>Lars =
Marius Garshol will=20
say : "the text is important, not the UML diagram". ;o)</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>But, for me, diagrams are so important =
: they allow=20
me to understand some time a text which is to complex without such a =
diagram.=20
Sometimes, they provide information that is not in the =
text.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>Let's take the TopicMap =
overview diagram=20
(3.3 The topic map item). It shows a relation between Association and =
TopicMap, with a black diamond on Association's side. In UML, for me, =
that=20
says if I suppress all the instances of the class Association, I =
suppress=20
automatically the object witch is an instance of the class TopicMap. =
In this=20
way, it doesn't make sense for me.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>The black diamond should be on =
the other=20
side!</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>Does it make sense? Same =
remark with other=20
objects on the same diagram.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3D#000080 size=3D1>Alain =
Herbuel</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3D#000080 size=3D1>Ing=E9nierie =
de l'information=20
et ing=E9nierie documentaire</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" =
color=3D#000080=20
size=3D1>SNCF DSIT-EX/AM</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" =
color=3D#000080=20
size=3D1>5, place Jules Ferry</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" =
color=3D#000080=20
size=3D1>69476 LYON cedex 06 - France</FONT> <BR><FONT =
face=3D"Trebuchet MS"=20
color=3D#000080 size=3D1>E-Mail : alain.herbuel@sncf.fr</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3D#000080 size=3D1>T=E9l. : (33) (0)4 78 =
65 41 66 - SNCF :=20
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