Concept Identity (was Re: [topicmapmail] A somewhat new topic maps format)

[Jack Park]

Identity!
Indeed. Count me in.
Jack

Bernard Vatant wrote:

>Murray
>
>"The question of identity within ontologies is a very complicated and
>difficult subject."
>
>Sure it is, but a crucial one, and only a part of the more general issue :
>how to figure out now interoperability between the various ways that have
>been developed in so many domains for identification purpose.
>
>- subjects in topic maps (published or not)
>- classes and individuals in ontologies
>- resources in RDF
>- descriptors in Thesaurus
>- concepts in CG
>- ...
>
>... without, of course developing yet another "more-meta-than-you"
>specification ...
>
>I was thinking those days about some kind of "Semantic Interoperability &
>Identification" forum to gather folks interested in exploring that heady
>stuff ... Volunteers?
>
>Bernard
>
>PS1 : Thanks for the very interesing paper by Guarino.
>
>PS2, for Peter :
>
>"Bunzilla" is what the Name of your rabbit *is called*
>The name itself *is* http://www.altheim.com/bunny/#bid0537
>
>Or maybe the other way round ??
>
>  
>
>>-----Message d'origine-----
>>De : topicmapmail-admin@infoloom.com
>>[mailto:topicmapmail-admin@infoloom.com]De la part de Murray Altheim
>>Envoye : mercredi 6 aout 2003 21:43
>>A : Peter P. Jones
>>Cc : Topic Map List
>>Objet : Re: [topicmapmail] A somewhat new topic maps format
>>
>>
>>Peter P. Jones wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>But how do I distinguish my pet Bunzilla from your pet Bunzilla?
>>>      
>>>
>>It's only the Comprehensive Bunny *Name* List, not the Comprehensive
>>Bunny List. You could use geospatial data to locate your bunny in space
>>and time as distinct from mine (because if they're in the same location
>>they're likely breeding, and
>>wehaveenoughrabbitsaroundherealreadythankyou).
>>
>>Since Topic Maps provide a scoping feature, you could scope your
>>Bunzilla's name by some namespace you control, create some form of
>>unique identifier, etc. The question of identity within ontologies
>>is a very complicated and difficult subject. If you're interested,
>>check out:
>>
>>    "Identity & Subsumption", Nicola Guarino, Christopher Welty.
>>
>>http://www.ladseb.pd.cnr.it/infor/ontology/Papers/Identity&Subsum
>>ption.pdf
>>
>>    "A Formal Ontology of Properties", Nicola Guarino, Christopher Welty.
>>    http://www.cs.vassar.edu/faculty/welty/papers/ekaw2000/ekaw2000.pdf
>>
>>    
>>
>>> On 6 Aug 2003 at 16:39, Murray Altheim wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>I've also done something similar. I've developed a version of XTM
>>>>tailored for the Comprehensive Bunny Name List called CBNLXTM, which
>>>>takes that "heck no, I won't interchange" approach in creating a
>>>>syntax that nobody else but me will use. It's easier to validate since
>>>>it has fewer elements (you can use topics instead of associations,
>>>>though they have different semantics), the documents are shorter since
>>>>all element names are only one or two characters long, and it also
>>>>looks a bit like RDF (as it's quite unreadable), since that's very
>>>>popular right now. And it doesn't rely on software at all for its
>>>>success (given that its target audience is rabbits, who rarely turn on
>>>>a computer).
>>>>
>>>>See:
>>>>
>>>>   http://www.altheim.com/bunny/
>>>>   http://www.altheim.com/bunny/cbnlxtm1.dtd
>>>>        
>>>>
>>Murray
>>
>>.................................................................
>>..........
>>Murray Altheim
>>    
>>
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